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#61 RAPT0R, A_R_C_H_E_R

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 21:13

them french bois got clapped because they decided to charge over a swamp and got bogged down and kept charging into spikes like noobz then the archers ran out of arrows and picked up clubs and shit and clapped those knights when they finally got close in a bottle neck made by spikes and the swamp. French leader was a 0 star total war general and the english one was a 20 star chad.

There were many French leaders and the most French knights fell for arrows shot from English longbows ... only the remains of the French army were destroyed in melee combat by English archers and their light swords, daggers - because they protected their king.


#62 Valandil, Telemnar, Pharazon, I don't like U

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 06:17

Bodkin arrows were never ment to be used against plate armour in the first place. They were invented for piercing chainmail (and it needs to be said that even chainmail is very good protection against arrows). In late medieval much thicker arrowheads would be used that can withstand the impact. There is pretty much no way they would pierce breastplate, there are even written accounts of dudes in full plate going straight against storm of arrows unharmed. 

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#63 sandorra, Horus Lupercal

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 09:14

It's a damn good thing Mercs doesn't aim for historical realism
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#64 RAPT0R, A_R_C_H_E_R

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 12:02

Bodkin arrows were never ment to be used against plate armour in the first place. They were invented for piercing chainmail (and it needs to be said that even chainmail is very good protection against arrows). In late medieval much thicker arrowheads would be used that can withstand the impact. There is pretty much no way they would pierce breastplate, there are even written accounts of dudes in full plate going straight against storm of arrows unharmed. 

Yes, they were invented mainly for penetrate through chainmail, but with strong bow and right arrowheads was possible to penetrate the chest plate too.

 

https://youtu.be/KCE40J93m5c?t=38

Read the description below the video.
 
It is a pity that no one has tested it with a full plate armor and some dummy inside.

#65 RAPT0R, A_R_C_H_E_R

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 13:09

Mr_THEJaManes

 

Look at this where you have time: https://knowledge.li...060&context=etd

page 71 - 74

Edited by RAPT0R, 10 September 2019 - 13:09.


#66 Aristotel, Semen Philosopher

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 15:27

 

Yes, they were invented mainly for penetrate through chainmail, but with strong bow and right arrowheads was possible to penetrate the chest plate too.

 

https://youtu.be/KCE40J93m5c?t=38

Read the description below the video.
 
It is a pity that no one has tested it with a full plate armor and some dummy inside.

 

 

 

In most modern tests the bodkin heads are made with the use of modern technology and materials and they pierce armor on short range rather effectively, but they didn't have the same technology back then

 

An arrow in the video has a needle bodkin head, which would break/bent in contact with plate armor if not made of high quality materials and hardened afterwards, which wasn't done back then

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#67 Duck_The_Mean, Leader of Chosen

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 15:34

There were many French leaders and the most French knights fell for arrows shot from English longbows ... only the remains of the French army were destroyed in melee combat by English archers and their light swords, daggers - because they protected their king.

The french knights didnt die to the arrows directly btw, At least not the majority. Most of them died because their horse was killed or they were knocked off it and falling off a charging horse with full plate armour does tend to break necks and bones. Then the ones who didnt die on impact with the ground were either trampled or drowned in the muddy fields. Once they were on the ground it was very hard to get up, especially if injured. Those who made it to the English were then either killed when they charged into spikes (which wasnt many since they mostly just funnelled them into the centre where the English dismounted knights were) or by the superior English heavy infantry. 

Edited by Duck_The_Mean, 10 September 2019 - 15:36.

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#68 RAPT0R, A_R_C_H_E_R

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 16:22

In most modern tests the bodkin heads are made with the use of modern technology and materials and they pierce armor on short range rather effectively, but they didn't have the same technology back then

 

An arrow in the video has a needle bodkin head, which would break/bent in contact with plate armor if not made of high quality materials and hardened afterwards, which wasn't done back then

Arrows and a breast plate in this video is from good quality materials and were made with use of modern technology. You can see, that almost all the arrows with white wings passed through and they were shot from bow with power only 110 lbs. How would it turn out with a bow of 160 lbs.

 

Look at that: https://knowledge.li...060&context=etd

page 71-74


#69 Mr_THEJaManes

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 16:42

Arrows and a breast plate in this video is from good quality materials and were made with use of modern technology. You can see, that almost all the arrows with white wings passed through and they were shot from bow with power only 110 lbs. How would it turn out with a bow of 160 lbs.

 

Look at that: https://knowledge.li...060&context=etd

page 71-74

 

That armour doesn't look very "good quality". Plus they didn't give any numbers or links to the armourer that made it.

Edited by Mr_THEJaManes, 25 September 2019 - 12:18.


#70 Valandil, Telemnar, Pharazon, I don't like U

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 13:28

 

Yes, they were invented mainly for penetrate through chainmail, but with strong bow and right arrowheads was possible to penetrate the chest plate too.

 

https://youtu.be/KCE40J93m5c?t=38

Read the description below the video.
 
It is a pity that no one has tested it with a full plate armor and some dummy inside.

 

 

So once again, bodkin arrows were never ment to be used against plated guys. The impact from heavy bow would break the tip.

Just by look.... that armour is nothing like good quality. The only proper test I know about is here https://www.youtube....h?v=Ej3qjUzUzQg
 

And even so... none of the arrows made it past arrowhead, person in armour would be absolutely unharmed even in this shitty armour! 

Scholagladiatoria channel has more videos on this topic, but they are more theoretical.

Those two channels are run by guys with degree in archeology. Unlike your "video" where you can´t eve add comment, which by itself is alarming.

 

Arrows and a breast plate in this video is from good quality materials and were made with use of modern technology. You can see, that almost all the arrows with white wings passed through and they were shot from bow with power only 110 lbs. How would it turn out with a bow of 160 lbs.

 

Look at that: https://knowledge.li...060&context=etd

page 71-74

Straight from that source

"The longbow was extremely effective and was considered by contemporary historians to be a deadly weapon. The introduction of plate armor caused some problems with arrow penetration which as a result diminished the lethality of the longbow, but it still continued to be a highly effective weapon."

 

The french knights didnt die to the arrows directly btw, At least not the majority. Most of them died because their horse was killed or they were knocked off it and falling off a charging horse with full plate armour does tend to break necks and bones. Then the ones who didnt die on impact with the ground were either trampled or drowned in the muddy fields. Once they were on the ground it was very hard to get up, especially if injured. Those who made it to the English were then either killed when they charged into spikes (which wasnt many since they mostly just funnelled them into the centre where the English dismounted knights were) or by the superior English heavy infantry. 

That is absolutely right. English are known for taking great number of captured frencj knights. You can´t capture dead body pierced with arrows.

Edited by Valandil, 11 September 2019 - 13:31.

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#71 Mr_THEJaManes

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 15:05

And who are You Telemnar, history major or something .... oh wait You are.


#72 Elendir, Nickname of Nickname: Elly

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 23:20

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#73 Valandil, Telemnar, Pharazon, I don't like U

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Posted 18 December 2019 - 15:09

I just found this and although its not realistics in the terms of what enemies are doing, plate armour is portraited fairly well. God luck spammy shielders, archers and peasents, good luck,

https://9gag.com/gag/am5Gm99


#74 Shorty, “Shorty you’re a known rule breaker.” - Edric 2k18

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Posted 20 December 2019 - 17:02

This is pure aids and I love it

#75 Teyrn, It’s not a coincidence. There’s fuckery afoot

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Posted 20 December 2019 - 17:47

This is pure aids and I love it

ah sounds like your last saturday night

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#76 Shorty, “Shorty you’re a known rule breaker.” - Edric 2k18

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Posted 20 December 2019 - 18:39

ah sounds like your last saturday night

you cheeky bastard you!!!!!




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