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#1 Elendir, Nickname of Nickname: Elly

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 21:01

I just stompled upon this really realy good video.

 

 

So in fact everyone who is wearing plate armor would be a nearly non stopping killing maschine and archers couldnt do shit .... Elly would loose his job :(

Edited by Elendir, 04 September 2019 - 21:03.


#2 Sleekphantom, Laghairt eitilt Éire. Ladmin.

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 22:21

Everyone would have died in the first battle as a peasant. No mercs.

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#3 Valandil, Telemnar, Pharazon, I don't like U

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 05:12

one word... poleaxes

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#4 RAPT0R, A_R_C_H_E_R

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 08:09

they did not use bodkin arrows in the video and their bow was only 90 lbs, not 120 and more than medieval English bows ... at the right angle, the bodkin arrows pass through everything (shields, armors) ... bow - the best historical weapon ever

 

If Merc would be realistic, so there are no full plate armor. Full plate armor with mail and underwear weighed over 50 kilograms. It was useless for fight. 10 peasants with shields and one-handed hammers would easily defeat 10 full plate armor knights with flamberges (without losses). It was used only for effect, intimidation. In merc during the siege - full plate armored guys wouldn't even reach the walls in a given time, if it were by reality.

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#5 crep9, That guy you've seen but don't really know.

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 09:19

Edited by crep9, 05 September 2019 - 09:19.

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#6 RAPT0R, A_R_C_H_E_R

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 09:58

https://www.youtube....h?v=xyztjyKml3I

 

how long they could fight like this until they were exhausted (3-5 min), historical battles could last several hours in reality ... and look at that "speed" of fighting


#7 Mr_THEJaManes

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 10:21

 

If Merc would be realistic, so there are no full plate armor. Full plate armor with mail and underwear weighed over 50 kilograms. It was useless for fight. 10 peasants with shields and one-handed hammers would easily defeat 10 full plate armor knights with flamberges (without losses).

 

Mind explaining me why would they wear it then? Seems like a stupid idea to spend crap load of money on set of armour that wont even protect you from peasants that spend most of their time on farms not practicing their whole lives like you did.

 

Wiki (I know that it isn't the greatest source) (Click to Show)

 

50kg my ass

 

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https://youtu.be/Ej3qjUzUzQg?t=45

 

Description says 150lb in video you can hear 130lb.

I know that it isnt bodkin but still I didnt even leave a dent.

Thats a heavy arrow that carries metric fuck ton of kinetic energy.

18,3 meters is as point blank as you would get.

 

 

Truth be told that some of the bows found on Mary Rose were estimated at 185lb.

Edited by Mr_THEJaManes, 05 September 2019 - 13:11.

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#8 Sf, https://youtu.be/KlgfqddpEEc

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 11:01

Just take crossbow and laugh at all the plate retards.

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#9 IHaTeCookie, BIYONIK

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 11:06

they did not use bodkin arrows in the video and their bow was only 90 lbs, not 120 and more than medieval English bows ... at the right angle, the bodkin arrows pass through everything (shields, armors) ... bow - the best historical weapon ever

 

If Merc would be realistic, so there are no full plate armor. Full plate armor with mail and underwear weighed over 50 kilograms. It was useless for fight. 10 peasants with shields and one-handed hammers would easily defeat 10 full plate armor knights with flamberges (without losses). It was used only for effect, intimidation. In merc during the siege - full plate armored guys wouldn't even reach the walls in a given time, if it were by reality.

Remember what happened when black powder was found? armor got thicker to the point it was too heavy to be effective. Same thing would happen if bodkin arrows could pass through anything like you stated. And there is no way 10 peasants are going to defeat 10 knights thats just stupid. If armor was as bad as you put it , I doubt it would be intimidating because why would you get intimidated because why would you if it was just useless "50" kgs?

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#10 crep9, That guy you've seen but don't really know.

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 11:55

https://www.youtube....h?v=xyztjyKml3I

 

how long they could fight like this until they were exhausted (3-5 min), historical battles could last several hours in reality ... and look at that "speed" of fighting

Edited by crep9, 05 September 2019 - 11:55.

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#11 RAPT0R, A_R_C_H_E_R

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 12:39

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Bodkin arrows were arrows specifically designed to pass through heavy armors. Penetrating the armor only a few centimeters, but many times it was enough to kill someone. Bodkin arrows were easy to pull out and because most of armies have light and medium armors, they weren't used as much.
Full plate armor protects the wearer from sword attacks and classic arrows shot from normal bows ... but all heavy axes, maces, hammers, crossbows and English bows (with bodkin arrows) pass through or destroy it. This type of armor was use in countries, where the sword was used as the main weapon (no axes, hammers,...) and that was reason, why the rich nobles, knights and kings used these armors. Many of them never used their armors in battle, because they just sat on their horses far from the battlefield and never personally joined the battle.

#12 Mr_THEJaManes

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 13:02

Yet another wiki. (Click to Show)

 

 

And it did protect from hammers and axes, if it hadn't then no one would be wearing them.

Part with knights staying out of the fight is just silly. I battle a knight could prove himself as well as find nobles that he could capture and hold as hostage.

Edited by Mr_THEJaManes, 05 September 2019 - 13:05.


#13 IHaTeCookie, BIYONIK

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 13:16

And the test was done with high carbon steel arrows which is something most archers did not even have


#14 Matrona, *Tyler1 machine gun sound effect*

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 16:18

Tincan vs one cheeky boi with handgonne, who would win?

#15 Sleekphantom, Laghairt eitilt Éire. Ladmin.

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 17:49

Tincan because Gonne user blew himself to shit.


#16 Uchiha_Madara, Querion

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 21:29

Heavy armour surely protect you more, but armor always leave weak spots such as joints inner parts of bodies such as armpits. Moreover armor usually weight at least 50kg and after a while you will be dead tired meaning death. Besides look at the Battle of Agincourt I think where the french knights got demolished by the welsh longbowmen.


#17 IHaTeCookie, BIYONIK

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 09:53

late 14th-early 15th century armors(which is what we have in the mod) were never 50kg. They were around 25-30 kg and because the weight was evenly distrubited in the body you would not get tired so easily. I am not sure about the weight of armors in later periods but mercs dont have those anyways. Only armor that could be 50kg in the period would be a tournament armour 


#18 Rangah, @Aristotel

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 10:14


#19 Aristotel, @Rangah

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 17:13

 

Mr_THEJaManes, IHaTeCookie

 

Bodkin arrows were arrows specifically designed to pass through heavy armors. Penetrating the armor only a few centimeters, but many times it was enough to kill someone. Bodkin arrows were easy to pull out and because most of armies have light and medium armors, they weren't used as much.
Full plate armor protects the wearer from sword attacks and classic arrows shot from normal bows ... but all heavy axes, maces, hammers, crossbows and English bows (with bodkin arrows) pass through or destroy it. This type of armor was use in countries, where the sword was used as the main weapon (no axes, hammers,...) and that was reason, why the rich nobles, knights and kings used these armors. Many of them never used their armors in battle, because they just sat on their horses far from the battlefield and never personally joined the battle.

 

Bodkins didn't penetrate plate armor. They could at max penetrate very thin parts of it, like vents on the helmets. Watch this vid from 2:30, he talks about bodkin (or any other arrow at that point) not being able to penetrate real steel armor


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 17:23

AP rounds I say





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