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#421 Dekkers, Vrolijk kerstfeest, mijn kerels

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 19:15

What he said ^

 

And after 2k hours spent in this god forgiven mod, i got some clue about the mod, Joshua. You keep whining about maps, i'll whine about 9 archers in one team who can kill anything in seconds, and yes, "use a shield bla bla" argument is a bs  

It's both to be honest. The mod lacks balance (class limits), the maps lack balance (one team having favourable camping spots that turn Eu1 maps into Eu2)and the community is cancer, like on every Warband mod and/or DLC I have ever played. (NW, PW/PK, cRPG, Mercs, Bear Force, you name it)

 

Scenes that have elevated positions that can only be reached by one stairway is just a no go. Having huge scenes with mountains that anyone can get on top of does not really work either. Native doesn't have it (multiplayer) so it still confuses me why someone decided that it would work for mercs.

 

Granted, some scenes are fairly small so it doesn't really matter, but some of the scenes out there are practically asking for players to abuse them.

You obviously can't take away all issues that this community provides, but you sure as hell can limit them by using the right map size, concept, invisible walls (but only when used properly at logical positions), etc.

Edited by Dekkers, 07 January 2019 - 19:16.

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#422 Aristotel, @Rangah

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 20:17

It's both to be honest. The mod lacks balance (class limits), the maps lack balance (one team having favourable camping spots that turn Eu1 maps into Eu2)and the community is cancer, like on every Warband mod and/or DLC I have ever played. (NW, PW/PK, cRPG, Mercs, Bear Force, you name it)

 

Scenes that have elevated positions that can only be reached by one stairway is just a no go. Having huge scenes with mountains that anyone can get on top of does not really work either. Native doesn't have it (multiplayer) so it still confuses me why someone decided that it would work for mercs.

 

Granted, some scenes are fairly small so it doesn't really matter, but some of the scenes out there are practically asking for players to abuse them.

You obviously can't take away all issues that this community provides, but you sure as hell can limit them by using the right map size, concept, invisible walls (but only when used properly at logical positions), etc.

Im telling you, create the best, most balanced maps ever achievable and the game will still be cancerous due to tactics that the players will come up with. Guess the only way to prove this is to wait until maps get reworked (hopefully) and see

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#423 Theowl, Whale Hunter

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 20:37

Im telling you, create the best, most balanced maps ever achievable and the game will still be cancerous due to tactics that the players will come up with. Guess the only way to prove this is to wait until maps get reworked (hopefully) and see

Expect people to exploit every map regardless, Ari is completely right. I would settle for Dugan Gorge being removed though, god I fucking hate it.


#424 Tardet, Overthinking it, on a daily basis.

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 22:08

You can limit the amount of 'cancer' by having more balanced maps / fixing the existing ones but yeah, as people said, its only one part of the problem. That's the part you can have an influence on though, telling people to not use cancerous builds is way harder as everyone has its own definition of what's annoying/cancerous. 

Edited by Tardet, 07 January 2019 - 22:09.


#425 Apollo

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 22:38

Maps like Desert Raid, Fight for mines?, Bariyeee (sorry for spelling) and that map where both teams spawn above ground but either has the option to go underground (which is what they allways do) they are just cancer maps.

If you removed them it could be a good start to make playing mercs for enjoyable. You should also consider removing 'The Arena' that map with more like 30 - 40 people is just unplayable for anyone who isn't an archer.

Edited by Apollo, 07 January 2019 - 22:38.


#426 Mash, Mash. Clarence_on_a_horse. King of the horse archers

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 07:25

 telling people to not use cancerous builds is way harder as everyone has its own definition of what's annoying/cancerous. 

*coughs* 

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#427 Greed

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 12:43

Removing maps where archers can get on rooftops and completely avoid melee until the last seconds would help. Infantry are forced to camp near the archers on both teams and nobody can attack for fear of being decimated by arrows.

Maps like Boarding would be the best map if people didnt inevitably start camping their own boat once they start losing


#428 Aristotel, @Rangah

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 13:38

Removing maps where archers can get on rooftops and completely avoid melee until the last seconds would help. Infantry are forced to camp near the archers on both teams and nobody can attack for fear of being decimated by arrows.

Maps like Boarding would be the best map if people didnt inevitably start camping their own boat once they start losing

People start camping because of archers on boarding. Redstone has rlly good spots on their ship and they have quick access to middle and northen tower. It is impossible to fight as archers just shoot you from everywhere. And keep in mind, that even if arrow doesnt kill you, it stuns or breaks a blow if hits your shield. Archers in a camping team on boarding can't do anything most of the time


#429 Greed

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 14:28

Actually just make archers run slower than the fucking Flash and we'll be good....


#430 Carter

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 12:15

Actually just make archers run slower than the fucking Flash and we'll be good....


Flash is slow

#431 sandorra, The God of (In)Justice

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 13:24

He does lose to superman

#432 Dan the Chef

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 14:06

Flash is supposed to be the fastest man alive and he loses to fucking superman like legit that's his gimmick and he's made out to be a jobber but I guess we gotta sell those superman comics


#433 Teyrn, Scallywag

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 16:35

Quicksilver > Flash


#434 iScream, Inactive for good this time

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 17:00

Quicksilver > Flash


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#435 Teyrn, Scallywag

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 17:55

 oh scream you devilish flatterer :3


#436 Aristotel, @Rangah

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 14:59

Superman is literally the worst fucking superhero in the comic books. A super *insert attribute*, immortal alien who turns into a 80 yr old granny after an intense crossfit session when near a fucking stone...

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#437 BulaDD, herf

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:46

He has weird pants aswell 


#438 pegunCZ, what is member title

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Posted 19 January 2019 - 15:26

Will it change?


#439 Welsh_Lad, I'm old now :(

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 21:21

Jopo 4 admin 





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